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Three jokes I don't think Marvel would have published if these issues had come out today:
1.) Transgressive of transphobic? Ennis has a reputation for pushing the envelope (an understatement if ever there was one), and this means his jokes are often crass, tasteless and seem calculated to offend...jokes of the "I can't believe they actually did that!" variety.I obviously can't say if Ennis makes these jokes because he's trying to be intentionally transgressive and attemping to shock or offend his audience—certainly a book like The Punisher is full of over-the-top material—or if he sincerely thinks this stuff is funny, and it therefore reflects his own personal beliefs.
Regardless, a lot of his jokes from the '90s and '00s seem particularly cringe-inducing today. I noticed three in "Confederacy of Dunces" which I have a hard time imagining Marvel keeping in were they publishing the series anew today, rather than collecting a modern classic.
The first is above. It comes on a page that introduces the perpetual loser Soap into this particular arc, a character whom Ennis is constantly heaping various misfortunes and indignities on, as well as the sarcastic bartender Kevin, who always belittles and bullies Soap, and their relationship to one another. The page also reminds readers of Soap's current relationship with The Punisher, who enters two panels after the one above ("Here's your pal to cheer ya up; maybe he's heard some jokes or somethin'," Kevin says when he notices The Punisher enter the bar to talk to Soap. "Though I seriously feckin' doubt it...").
Now the panel before the one I posted above has Soap seated at the bar, holding his face in his hands, and saying to Kevin, "I've made another of my terrible mistakes..."
Kevin's dialogue above alludes to that mistake and implies that Soap hooked up with a woman that was actually "a fella."
Now, it's been so long since I read this Punisher run, in full, I can't recall if this refers to something that happened on-panel in the previous issue, or something off-panel, brought up only to characterize Soap and Kevin and remind readers of their relationship.
Therefore, I don't know if the implication is that Soap had an encounter with a transwoman, or a transvestite or, this being an Ennis comic, simply a man dressed like a woman for no particular reason. But regardless, the scene certainly evokes the harmful "trap" stereotype so often applied to transwomen.
And it certainly further implies that a straight man being intimate with a transwoman is, well, the dialogue has Soap talking of "the horror, the humiliation, the endless misery" of his life.
2.) "Homo!" Another Soap gag. While waiting for the bar to open so he can spend his day drinking and being insulted by Kevin, Soap is approached by some off-brand Girl Scouts (Who seem to be on the older side, as they are nearly as tall as Soap himself).
He offers to buy a box of the cookies they are selling, and when one responds sarcastically ("Just the one?...Oh, boy. Last of the big friggin' spenders"), Soap changes his mind and starts to lecture her on her attitude. She kicks him in the balls and, when he's on the ground, the three Girl Scouts all start kicking him and yelling at him: "Keep your stinkin' money, fat boy!" and "Friggin' pervert tried to touch us!" and, well, what you see in the close-up above.
I was frankly pretty surprised to see the word "Homo!" in there. It's a word I heard bandied about quite a bit when I was in school—that is, in the '80s and '90s—along with the R-slur, the F-slur and "gay"-to-mean-"lame", but I haven't really heard since. (In fact, I only seem to see it used online now in the context of the phrase "no homo", always used sarcastically to make fun of gay panic.)
Would teenagers in 2004 been shouting it...? I don't know. But I'm pretty damn certain teenagers in a Marvel comic published in 2026 would not. ("Bastard" also sounds more like a thing an Ennis character would say than a 21st century teenage girl would say, doesn't it...?)
He initially does so by slapping Banner around for a few panels and, once Frank has insulted Banner and smashed his face against a wall, Banner seems to remember exactly who he is and realize what's about to happen.
As you can see above, he urges The Punisher to run but, instead of doing so, The Punisher kicks him in the balls and calls him a "bitch." This finally turns Banner's face green and seems to be what pushes him over the edge.
Again, this is a word I heard used as an insult a lot growing up, but less and less as I joined the adult world. Is this because adults generally don't use it like that, or because the word itself is no longer used as much, given that it seems more popularly understood to have misogynistic connotations in addition to the negative ones it's always had...?
Again, I don't know. Obviously, Ennis has Frank using it to try to piss of Banner as much as possible, so, in this context, I don't think it's meant to imply that Frank Castle is the sort of guy who might use the word, but it's telling that it works on Banner, isn't it?
Anyway, another line of dialogue I have a hard time imagining Marvel printing today.
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Can we talk about Spider-Man's spider-sense for a moment...? I confess that I've never quite understood exactly how it was meant to work.Wikipedia calls it a "precognitive" ability and says he can use it to sense danger. In the newspaper comic strips and the Spider-Man comics I've read, I generally see it used as a sort of vague, early sense that something's not quite right, usually draws with wiggly lines emanating from Peter Parker's face, which will sometimes be drawn with the mask symbolically over half his face.
As to how exactly it works, it seems to vary from writer to writer and story to story, depending on what the writer wants to happen in a particular scene. One would think it would make it impossible for an enemy to strike Spider-Man—or at least very, very hard to do so—but he seems to get punched, kicked, zapped, whacked by mechanical tentacles and blown up with pumpkin bombs on the regular.
Anyway, I find myself wondering specifically how it works because of a scene in "Confederacy of Dunces," wherein The Punisher lures Spider-Man into a trap.
During "Round Two" of his battle against Spidey, Daredevil and Wolverine, The Punisher has prepared ways to temporarily neutralize each of them.
When it comes to tackling Spider-Man, who out-powers him in every conceivable way, Frank waits for Spider-Man to come after him in a room which he had previously wired with mines and pressure plates. As soon as Spidey enters the darkened room, his right foot breaks through one of the boards and lands on a pressure plate. Frank flicks the light on and makes sure that Spider-Man knows the parameters of the trap before leaving him, taking Spider-Man out of the fight until he can somehow extract himself from the trap.
So, my question: Would this work?
Or would Spider-Man's spidey-sense have warned him of the presence of the mines and pressure plates in the floor, and he could have thus used it to navigate the room without stepping on any of them?
Now, to complicate the question. While The Punisher is willing to fight the superheroes in order to preserve his own freedom, he doesn't actually want to kill any of them, and, in fact, goes to great lengths not to kill them (This because while they may act as his adversaries here, they're not actually evil people in the way that his victims are; in this particular arc, Ennis has The Punisher detail the horrific crimes of the men in a room he has just gunned down, demonstrating to readers just how bad these bad guys actually are and, one assumes, help ensure that readers don't feel too badly for Frank's victims).
That means that the pressure plates and mines aren't really meant to go off at all and are a just a feint to trick Spider-Man into staying put and not joining the fight. Spider-Man is doubtful of this, even when Daredevil explains it to him:
Remember what I told you: Castle wont' take an innocent life. He'll beat us and cripple us and terrorize us, but he won't go all out to kill us.
All he wanted to do here was take you out of the fight. Those mines have no explosive in them, or they're not wired to the detonator pad, or something.But they will not go off when you lift up your foot.
And, of course, he's right.
So, did Spider-Man's spider-sense not warn him of the presence of the pressure plate and the mines because they didn't pose a real danger, and thus they didn't trigger his spidey-sense?
And, if that were the case, wouldn't Spidey know that the mines didn't pose a real threat, or nah?
One more complication: Note that last panel above. Artist John McCrea draws wiggly lines emanating from half of Spider-Man's face, which is how his spidey-sense going off is always depicted. So, is his spidey-sense going off there? And in reaction to what, exactly? (Can it be tricked, for example? Can The Punisher telling Spider-Man of the threat trigger the spider-sense, even if he's lying...?)
Yes, I know. I have now officially thought way too much about this scene.
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Remember a few weeks back, when I was talking about my difficulty in finding good graphic novels to start my comics-curious, 14-year-old nephew on? In that post, I talked about how hard it was coming up with a high-quality, evergreen, easily accessible trade featuring the X-Men or Spider-Man to hand him, and wrote that "Unlike, say, Batman, Spider-Man doesn't seem to have a Dark Knight Returns or a Batman: Year One (Or an Arkham Asylum or a Gothic or a Long Halloween or a Hush or a Court of Owls or...)"I had been thinking about that off and on for the last few weeks now. Specifically, the fact that I could easily recommend a graphic novel or three or twelve for most relatively popular DC characters, but not so much with any Marvel character.
Now, I've always had a DC bias in my reading habits, so I'm not the best person to weigh in here, but it seems to me that Marvel Comics has always focused on producing comic book series, and had barely ever even dabbled in producing either original graphic novels or limited series or story arcs that could be collected into trades and then sold as graphic novels to the emerging market for them; not in the wake of Dark Knight Returns/Watchmen/Maus in the late 1980s, not when a market for trades emerged in the late 1990s, not when the Big Two started collecting everything they published to cater to the newer "wait-for-the-trade" audience, not when manga became a bookstore phenomenon, and not today, when bookstores and libraries are common places readers find comics.
Marvel, stubbornly, seems to still be a comic book publisher whose only real "graphic novels" are trade collections of their regular comics, while DC has spent decades catering to readers who get comics in places that aren't specialty comic shops.
Like, whenever I think of the more famous Marvel storylines I know of, they almost always tend to be runs on titles rather than stories that can be collected into a single pair of covers. It seems rare for Marvel to actually publish something that 1.) features a popular character, 2.) is by a noteworthy creator, 3.) is distinct enough to offer a particular take on a character or concept, 4.) is easily accessible to a general audience, 5.) is somewhere between 100-400 pages and —and this part is important—6.) is actually in print and available for purchase.
As you've been reading, these last few paragraphs, you've probably been thinking of counter-examples. I'd like to hear them in the comments as, again, I am not a Marvel guy. I've been thinking of counter-examples too, and haven't come up with many that quite seem to fit the six criteria in the previous paragraph (Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz's Elektra: Assassin would seem to fit the bill, for example, but I just looked it up on Amazon, and it looks like it was last published in 2019...and is not currently in print. I don't think I've ever seen it outside of the rack of a comic shop, either).
Much of the Marvel Premier Collection line, which is where I would expect to find what Marvel considers its graphic novels, features books that are parts of runs: Greg Pak and company's Planet Hulk, Jonathan Hickman's Fantastic Four and Avengers, Grant Morrison's New X-Men, etc. They feature stories, sure, but they are each only parts of bigger, longer storylines. For a while I considered Mark Millar and Steve McNiven's Civil War, which was a limited series...but (in addition to not being very good, and reading worse and worse each time I revisit it) it was such a big "event" that Civil War proper is just part of a massive story too, comprised of hundreds of pages, some of them quite relevant, that aren't collected between the covers...and would be too numberous to do so (What about Tom King and Gabriel Hernandez Walta's The Visions...? I've never read that, but it seems to be quite limited in scope...)
In the end, I came up with two Marvel comics that I think fit my criteria: Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross' 1994 Marvels and Garth Ennis, Steve Dillon and Jimmy Palmiotti's 2000 The Punisher: Welcome Back, Frank. Two very different books, but also two books that you can hand pretty much any reader, and they could easily make sense of and, I imagine, find things to appreciate about (Although the former is obviously a bit more geared to a popular, general audience than the latter; I wouldn't be in a rush to hand my nephew any of Ennis' Punisher works and say "Here, you like Marvel superheroes, right?").
Actually, I'm not 100% on whether or not Marvels is currently in print or not. Amazon shows a 2018 "Remastered" edition, and there doesn't seem to be a Marvel Premier Edition version of it for some reason.
Thinking some more, I thought of a couple others that standalone as actual graphic novels and that Marvel seems to agree are significant enough to keep around.
There's Millar and McNiven's Wolverine: Old Man Logan, which I never read (I had read enough Mark Millar by the time it came out) but that seems to be a discrete story of its own (Marvel's efforts to turn it into a "world" of its own, and to import the title character into their mainline universe for a while aside). There's a Marvel Premier Edition of that.
And there's Roger Stern and Mike Mignola's Doctor Strange & Doctor Doom: Triumph & Torment. That seems to have been out-of-print for some time now (Marvel seems to have stuck it in a Doctor Strange Epic Collection in 2023...I could have sworn I heard Marvel was re-releasing it, though). (Then again, is either Doctor a Spider-Man or X-Men level character...? Probably not).
Do any of you have any other suggestions of something akin to Marvels or Welcome Back, Frank or Old Man Logan...? Something that reads like a standalone graphic novel, rather than part of a run or series or series of series...?
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I suppose I should mention that there are a decent amount of recent standalone works starring Marvel characters that are meant for general audiences who find their books in bookstores and libraries. They just aren't published by Marvel but licensed to other publishers.
These include Jeffrey Brown's Hulk Teach books (Scholastic/Graphix), Mike Maihack's Spider-Man "Mighty Marvel Team-Up" books and Dean Hale and Douglas Holgate's Iron Man "Mighty Marvel Team-Up" books (Harry N. Abrams), Patrick McDonnell's The Super Hero's Journey, Alex Ross' Fantastic Four: Full Circle and Marvel Dimensions and Chip Kidd and Michael Cho's The Avengers in The Veracity Trap (Harry N. Abrams again) and the standalone Spider-Man manga Fake Red (Viz Media; they also publish Kizuna, Octo-Girl and Shadow Warrior, but those are all manga series).













































